The “double horse talks” between Ma Yun and Musk are undoubtedly the most eye-catching agenda of WAIC this year.
On August 29th, the 2nd World Artificial Intelligence Conference (WAIC) opened at the Shanghai World Expo Center.
WAIC is currently the highest-profile conference in the field of artificial intelligence in China. In this session, Chairman of the Board of Directors and CEO of Tencent, Ma Huateng, Microsoft Global Executive Vice President Shen Xiangyang, Shang Tang Technology founder Tang Xiaoou, and Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Dean Tom Mitchell will deliver keynote speeches.
The most eye-catching highlight of all agendas is the last agenda of the morning: by Ma Yun, co-chairman of the United Nations High-level Panel on Digital Cooperation, co-founder and CEO of Tesla, Elon Musk (Eron Ma “High-end dialogue”.
It is worth noting that in the WAIC meeting agenda, Ma Yun’s position has been marked as “Co-chair of the United Nations High-level Panel on Digital Cooperation”. At yesterday’s 2019 Global Women Entrepreneur Conference, Ma Yun also said: “I still have two weeks to be the chairman of Alibaba, but it does not mean that I am retired.”
For Musk, China will become Tesla’s second largest strategic market outside North America. At the beginning of August, Tesla’s official Weibo had issued a document saying that the Tesla Shanghai super factory was successfully built and is expected to be officially put into operation by the end of 2019. In addition, Musk will also start the Boring Company China project on the occasion of the 2019 WAIC, which was established to solve the problem of ground traffic congestion.
At 11:10 am, Ma Yun and Musk’s “Double Horse” dialogue officially started. Talking about artificial intelligence (AI) Ma Yun first proudly said: I don’t like AI called Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to call it “Alibaba” Intelligence”.
“I am happy with the progress of Alibaba’s artificial intelligence, they can better understand the nature of human beings. I don’t think AI is a threat, I am very optimistic, I don’t think AI is horrible, human beings are very smart.” Ma Yun Speaking.
In this setting, the organizers provided different topics for Ma Yun and Musk. The topics include “life, human civilization, autonomous driving, education, work”, etc. Finally, “Double Horse” chose The following topics are discussed:
1. What do you think AI will go in the next 100 years? How to integrate into today’s life?
2. What new work will AI create for us?
3. What advice do you have for young people who want to enter the AI field?
4. How long will human life last with AI?Can AI help the environment to be sustainable?
In the nearly one-hour “double horse” conversation, Ma Yun showed full dominance, and the explanation of each topic was well-founded and logically rigorous; while Musk was somewhat arrogant, and the content of the discussion often diverged. To the universe, space, biology and other fields.
Interestingly, in the discussion of individual issues, Ma Yun and Musk showed a very different perspective.
For example, in the focus on the universe. Regarding the comments that Musk had moved to Mars, Ma Yun repeatedly mentioned that the focus should be on the Earth itself. “It is good to send 1 million people to Mars, and more concerned about the development of billions of people on Earth.” Ma said.
The bigger differences between the two sides focus on the topic of “people and machines who are smarter.” When Ma said: “Humans can never create creatures that are smarter than themselves,” Musk immediately said: “I strongly disagree with this view.”
Next, Musk cited examples of Go AI “dark blue”, “Alpha Dog” and other humans, indicating that computers are smarter than humans. But Ma Yun immediately said: “Computers are smarter, humans will be smarter. Smart is a kind of accumulation of academic and knowledge, but human wisdom is driven by experience.”
“Humans invented computers, but computers have never invented humans,” Ma said.
Photo Capture: Su Jianxun
The following are some of the contents of Ma Yun and Musk’s “Two Horses Talks”, according to the on-site translation records:
Ma Yun: I don’t like AI called Artificial Intelligence, I prefer to call it “Alibaba Intelligence”. Let’s discuss the first topic first. What do you think AI will go in the next 100 years? How to integrate into today’s life?
Muske: Robots should see people being particularly boring, I think machines are much smarter than people, (artificial intelligence sees us) might be like we watch gorillas, if they can’t beat them Then join them. We are already connected with mobile phones and computers. In fact, people are connected to the machine.It is. “
The machine can understand people’s conversations. The difference between them can be very big. The biggest mistake of AI researchers is that they think that the machine is not smart. In fact, the machine is much smarter than people. I hope that AI will be a good thing, and I am not sure. Computers can exceed hundreds of thousands of times in human conversations, and computers can be boring.
Ma Yun: I am particularly surprised by your vision of AI. I am talking about life. I think AI can open a chapter for the world community and better understand yourself.
Predicting the future is difficult, 99% of the predictions, humans are wrong, only 0.001 predictions are correct, and 80% of the data is wrong, but we are still working in this direction.
I am happy with the progress of Alibaba’s artificial intelligence, they can better understand the nature of human beings, but we also need to have more confidence in ourselves. Many AI solutions have not yet been born today, but young people will have more solutions.
I don’t think AI is a threat, I am an optimist, I don’t think AI is horrible, human beings are smart.
Muske: I am not a natural optimist or pessimist. The speed of technological development in the future will change very quickly and will surpass our ability to understand him.
Ma Yun: I heard that you want to move to Mars? I am more interested in the earth, why are you curious about Mars?
Muske: We have to take action on moving to Mars. We need to keep a better understanding of the future. If we are threatened one day, we can only move to another planet. This is the first time the Earth is possible. Leave the earth to live.
Now we don’t know where the aliens are, believe me, I really can’t find them, I have to know aliens,
Ma Yun: It’s good to send 1 million people to Mars, but I care more about the development of billions of people on Earth. I am not a fan of Mars. I can’t go back to Mars.
Muske: Don’t do this.
Ma Yun: I don’t want to climb the Himalayas, unless I have an elevator, I can go and see. Everyone has only 100 years of life on Earth, and can’t solve all the problems of the future, but it is responsible for the future. Through AI human beings to better understand themselves, they can better enhance the world.
My interest in AI is that AI understands itself better and understands the nature of human beings. You have to dig down inside the earth. This is very good. Every time I hear you are interested in the alien, I respect you very much, but we also have to work on the earth.
Muske: I support the Earth, but I hope toOur understanding expands to scale and achieve multi-planet life. I don’t know how much medical investment is, how much it costs to buy lipstick. But definitely invest more resources to study the development of the planet, with 1% of resources for future investments, such as using Tes to solve sustainable development, using battery solar energy.
I am very happy to be in Shanghai. The Tesla Chinese team is very good and has made great progress. The world has seen how good progress in China. I pay tribute to you. You are great. I didn’t think of going to the Chinese team. With such rapid development, China is the future. China’s entrepreneurial rocket companies are very good, and it is difficult to get into orbit, but many Chinese companies have done it
Ma Yun: Select another topic, what new work will AI create for us?
After having electricity, you can have fun. I have been to 300 cities in my life. My dad has been to 30, and my grandfather has been to 3. And my grandchildren can sit on Tesla. In the future, we need to work to enjoy happiness and happiness. I will not worry about work. Second, we don’t need a lot of work. Third, the meaning of life will also Make a difference.
In the agricultural era, the average life is 35 years old, the industry is 70 years old, AI can let us live to 100 years old, now people’s lives are getting better and better, people don’t have children, if a grandfather’s grandfather is still there, I don’t want to have children, many jobs are not done, I need AI to care for the elderly, we have to do an era when everyone can live 120 years old.
Ma Yun: Let’s talk about education again. What advice do you have for young people who want to pursue an AI career?
Many ways to educate children are designed for the industrial age. Machines are smarter than people, how do people do better, how can they be smarter? We should change the way we educate.
In the past, the focus was on memory. Computers can be better, faster, and faster. Human beings must be confident and constructive. How can children be more constructive?
Flow more children to train and dance. These are ideas. People can never make another person. People can’t even make mosquitoes. The machine has chips, and human beings have the heart. In the next 10 years and 20 years, countries should reform the education system to ensure that children can find jobs. They can work three days a week for four hours. If you don’t reform the education system, you will see Go to the problem, don’t worry, it will change.
Muske: Learn as much as you can to predict the future, create the future, and evaluate what you are learning to predict the future? It will definitely go wrong, but I hope to reduce the error rate. To create the future, involving art and other things, make fewer mistakes about the future.
It is very difficult to predict the future. The first is to try and adjust according to the predicted errors.
Ma Yun: Try it very well, always have information to try, never worry about making mistakes, mistakes are the best assets of mankind. When worrying about AI disaster, the key is to believe that human beings can improve their mistakes.
China has 18 million newborns a year. It is not enough. The best resource is not coal, oil and electricity. It is the human brain, ensuring more constructiveness and ensuring that the machine does not control people.
Human talk AI is controlled by the machine. I never thought that this is impossible because the machine was invented by humans. According to science, people can’t create animals that are smarter than us.
Muske: I strongly disagree, we may create something smarter (Ma Yun responded: “very good”), the earliest civilization is primitive, running around and not being someone else Eat it, these are new things, smart a lot. It is not the last revolution. As you said, the mistake of a wise man is that he feels wrong.
Ma Yun: Give me an example of creating something smarter than people?
Muske: Computers are smarter than people. Go is, “Deep Blue” defeats Castro, “Alpha Dog” defeats human champion, humans and AI have a gap in intellectual pursuit In the future, all aspects of human beings will be surpassed by computers.
Ma Yun:Computers are smarter and humans are smarter. Smart is an academic, intellectual, and intelligent drive.
The computer was invented by humans, and the computer did not invent. Second, when it comes to playing chess, playing chess with a computer is stupid. Like people who created cars 100 years ago, only fools went to race with cars. Go is playing chess between humans. Why do humans play chess with computers? I never play chess with computers. I am very happy to see the next two computers.
Muske: What aspects of people are better than computers?
Ma Yun: Computers are just one of the tools people create. Computers are smart, but humans create more tools.
Muske: There is a complete solution for playing chess, and every routine knows. The degree of freedom of chess is lower, but the degree of freedom of Go is higher and the level of intelligence is constantly rising. I don’t worry about the birth rate you just mentioned. Most people think that there is a large population. This is an outdated view. We say that AI can bring a bright future. The problem facing the world in the future is the collapse of the population.
Ma Yun: I agree that the population problem is a huge problem. The population will accelerate to decline. Some people on Mars will live. Each year, China is born with 18 million people, only a small part.
In our company, we call Alibaba Artificial Intelligence. For scenes that require “orderly, logical”, AI can do better. Without these points, humans need to do it. Just like you love someone, there is no reason, but if you hate someone, there is logic. AI will do better than you, and the machine can learn quickly.
Muske: AI (love) means love.
Ma Yun: You are right. If AI can bring love, you used to be a successful person and want EQ/IQ. If you want to survive in the future, you need AI.
Ma Yun: The next topic, how long will human life be with AI? Can AI help the environment to be sustainable?
Muske: AI helps the environment not develop easily, humans can achieve, and need to do a lot of action, China is now the world leader, environmental sustainability, China is the leader, half of the world Electric cars are made in China.
I am not proud and complacent. I think that human beings can solve sustainable development. Life is not important, you can save your life and solve the aging problem of the organism. This is a DNA problem. Can humans be willing to change? This is a problem.
Ma Yun: I think AI can be sustainable, smart people know what they want, and smart people know what they don’t want. People use AI to understand themselves and maintain the health of the planet.
Why do I want to stay on Earth, although it is good to go to outer space, but it is more difficult to spend resources on the earth to deal with marine debris than to go to outer space, but it can solve the problems around us. Use AI to understand yourself, for example, to understand how the disease is caused.
I feel that technology is born for dreams. I hope to make this world better and make the people of the earth live better and healthier. I really like Tesla’s products, it is cleaner, I am very glad that you put The factory is located in China and does more to protect the planet. At the same time, we should also believe in us, believe in human beings, believe in young people, and take a responsible attitude.
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