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On September 26th, Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei talked with two experts in the field of artificial intelligence to discuss topics related to innovation, rules and trust. Guest Jerry Kaplan is a global AI expert, futurist and pioneer in the tablet industry. Guest Peter Cochrane is a professor of artificial intelligence, a member of the Royal Academy of Engineering, a medal of the British Empire, and the United Kingdom. Pre-telecommunications CTO.

For the 5G patent technology license, Ren Zhengfei said, “We are not authorized to all Western companies, we are authorized to a Western company, that is, an exclusive company to buy our license. This company we think should be a US company On the one hand, you can get more money to develop new technologies, and the introduction of strong competitors will force the company’s 190,000 employees not to be lazy. “Once you sleep late, you may die.” .”

Ren Zhengfei also thinks that 5G should be regarded as a base station, not as an atomic bomb. “I think 5G is a pediatric thing. The biggest industry in the future is artificial intelligence. We don’t want artificial intelligence to suffer from physical lists. We hope Together provide a service for humanity.”

And for the recovery of parts supply in the United States, Ren Zhengfei said that it is welcome and will not pursue the past. “If there is only a small piece of marketization, it will only generate high costs. The purpose of globalization is to share resources and benefit the people all over the world. .”

Video full playback: Ren Zhengfei talks about artificial intelligence in the field of innovation, rules and trust, asFrequency 1 hour 48 minutes (recommended collection)

The following is the full text of the dialogue:

Moderator: Welcome everyone to the new issue of “Talk with Ren Zhengfei Coffee”. Today’s topic will talk about innovation, rules and trust. We will pay attention to innovation. After all, we also know that the development of new technologies is very fast. At the same time, we will look at the rules, what rules should we use to manage the development of new technologies. At the same time, we will also talk about trust. Trust is a very important issue. We will explore some aspects of trust, such as technology decoupling and the global framework for managing new technologies. Let me introduce today’s dialogue guests: A key person today is Mr. Ren Zhengfei, founder and CEO of Huawei. Together with him are two very well-known scientists, Jerry Kaplan, the world’s top computer scientist, artificial intelligence expert and futurist, and the Royal Academy of Engineering, the British Empire Medal, Peter Cochrane, former CTO of BT, and Zhang Wenlin, president of Huawei’s strategy department.

Today’s discussion will be about innovation. What do you think the future will look like? Or what kind of development and emerging technologies will happen in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: Because I believe that human society is now on the eve of new theories and new technologies, electronic technology will soon reach 3 nanometers and 1 nanometer, but it will not stop and will continue to move forward. We are still not aware of the way forward. We have hoped to achieve this through graphene in the past. We are not very clear today. In our time, genetic technology will make a very big breakthrough in the next 20 or 30 years, and it will play a great role in biotechnology, life science and nanomedicine. Under such circumstances, if the electrons are more sophisticated and then combined with genes, what will the shape of this society look like? We simply can’t think of it.

And now, science and technology have evolved to the stage of designing new materials with molecular science. In this case, new materials and new technologies will continue to emerge, so I think we are completely unclear now. Moreover, artificial intelligence is likely to start to be scaled up at this time. It is about the progress, promotion and improvement of society. Now we are not very clear. However, during this period, because of breakthroughs in quantum technology and optical technology, large-scale new technologies will break through in the next two or three decades. Interdisciplinary breakthroughs and breakthroughs in single-disciplinary technologies will bring us new opportunities.

In the face of new opportunities, how should we meet this new era? We still don’t know. I feel that the new era has opened up a powerful window of opportunity for us. What we are expecting is how to make more efforts and let the whole in this window of opportunity.More scientists, engineers and the world in the world unite to meet this new era. For the ignorance of the future, we should not be uneasy, but we should bravely welcome this new era.

Host: Ren Zong, you just talked about AI and artificial intelligence. In fact, many people are talking about the word smart. They are worried that artificial intelligence will replace work. What do you think?

Ren Zhengfei: Artificial intelligence will only create greater wealth and provide greater efficiency for society. But since there is more wealth and higher efficiency, then we have another way of dealing with the old problems. Artificial intelligence affects and shapes the core variables of this country, and this country will change dramatically due to artificial intelligence. Under such circumstances, we must turn it into a driving force for the development of the entire international community and social structure. The development of a country’s technology depends on its own basic capabilities. The basic ability is education, talent, as well as industry maturity algorithms, computing power, and infrastructure provision, infrastructure including large computers, mature systems and connections, etc., supported by this series. I think that after this era comes, it will make mankind more prosperous.

But also for a new question, a new proposition for a country and society. Because we have experienced the era of industrial revolution, the requirement of every old problem in the era of industrial revolution is that it can adapt to this social structure as long as it enters a medium level. In the era of artificial intelligence, it is necessary to improve the level of artificial education. Every country must work hard on this point, and it is not necessarily a big country to succeed. I think that many small and medium-sized countries can also become a country with great production capacity due to the realization of artificial intelligence. And as long as there is greater ability to create wealth, it will bring opportunities to more people.

Moderator: Jerry Kaplan is an expert in artificial intelligence. Do you agree with the general opinion?

Jerry Kaplan: I am very honored to have a conversation with well-known entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs on the same stage. I am very grateful for the opportunity. As for the issue of artificial intelligence, Ren has just fully explained it. I think Ren is like Shakespeare. I don’t know what to say when he finishes talking. The host hopes that we will have some sparks between each other. First of all, I think artificial intelligence is not magic. It is not really about intelligence. It is just a new wave of automation. To know what artificial intelligence can bring, we just need to refer to some of the previous automation developments, and how the previous automation affects the labor market, so we can predict what will happen in the future. We all know that technology is developing very fast. For example, everyone in the academic world has discovered that in fact, we have found that technology has developed faster than it is now. Such as railways and computers, etc., all these technological developmentsThey are all transforming society. And this has happened before, but we have not seen such rapid technological development in the near future.

Ren is always right, the future is bright. Although artificial intelligence will make some changes to the labor market, people will be richer and there will be some new jobs. For example, there will be more middle classes in the society in the future. I think this is only a change in the labor market, not Said people are unemployed.

Moderator: Excuse me, Peter, in terms of artificial intelligence, which country in the world do you think will become the dominant player? Is China or the United States?

Peter Cochrane: I think AI will dominate the world, and AI will ultimately decide who will dominate. Because in fact, AI is mainly concerned with the handling of tasks, which is agreed by Jerry, I and Ren. For example, if you give your employees to buy a computer, this is to provide them with some intelligent assistance. But now AI is not a universal technology. The first thing we really want to achieve now is the need to build a sustainable society. If we want to achieve this, we should not feel that we can achieve it with minor repairs. What we really need is radical change and radical change. These changes include our biotechnology, nanotechnology, AI, robotics, and IoT technology (that is, IoT technology). Because only these technologies can be applied together to create a new future. For example, to reuse these materials, if you want to do this, you need to use multiple technologies, which is a big challenge.

I know that Ren may be very supportive of my point of view. We cannot afford to consume more oil or energy because we all hope that the future of the planet will be sustainable. We need to provide products to more people, we need to create a sustainable ecosystem, and we have to change the way we do things today.

Moderator: I just talked about innovation. Another very important word is trust. I would like to ask Ren, in fact, Huawei has also received a lot of rigorous review, because you are the leader in 5G, why people Do you have so much distrust of what Huawei and Huawei are doing?

Ren Zhengfei: Everyone wants to see that textile machinery was not trusted at the beginning of the hundred years ago. At the time of the industrial revolution, everyone smashed textile machinery. Without textile machinery, there would be no high-grade fabrics for us today. The main producing countries of high-grade fabrics are the United Kingdom, and fabrics produced in other countries are still not up to the British level. That is to say, the emergence of textile machinery does not actually deprive the textile workers of their rights but also raises the level of textiles.

When the train appeared, it didn’t run like a horse-drawn carriage. It was ridiculed at the time, but today everyone thinks that the train can pull heavy cargo. When the train first appeared in China, everyone used the train as a train.Going to treat like a ghost, I wonder how this thing will run? the same. When the Chinese high-speed railway first appeared, there was an accident, and then the society denied the sound of high-speed rail. But today no one said that high-speed rail is not good. I estimate that one hundred people say that high-speed rail is a good thing.

Artificial intelligence is still a new bean sprout today, because when the supercomputer and super connection appeared, it was just sprouting. At this time, people are worried about artificial intelligence, saying that worrying about artificial intelligence will lead to changes in people’s moral standards. In fact, this worry is too much. Looking back today, in fact, labor has also grown several times. The society was still in a state of hunger decades ago. Now it is already an era of excess and consumption, so production is developing.

The emergence of 5G is also an accident, because a Turkish professor wrote a mathematics paper ten years ago. Coincidentally, we discovered this paper earlier than others, so we invested a lot of power to do it. Out of 5G. 5G itself is a tool, like supporting cars, trains running, supporting running does not play other roles, but now it is also arguing about 5G, which requires history to prove that artificial intelligence, 5G will create wealth for human society, so people want Give trust and tolerance to new things. The greatest feature of innovation is to give everyone an academic freedom that allows you to wonder. Otherwise, why can his theory be proved after Copernicus dies? When genetic engineering is developing, everyone also suspects that genes have a negative effect, but we can only prove it after the experiment. So now we still have to give tolerance and trust to new technologies.

Moderator: Do you feel disappointed and regretful? Everyone has so much distrust of Huawei 5G technology.

Ren Zhengfei: I think that China was a poor country and a backward country. Everyone thought that China could not catch up. But it turns out that China has caught up. Like a train, the train ran fast and ran faster than a carriage. At this time, everyone will have some distrust of the new things. I think that it will be trusted for a long time.

Now Europe and even the whole world have given Huawei many opportunities. I think this is very tolerant. I am very satisfied. I can’t let everyone understand us, at least in a short time.

Zhang Wenlin: We now see that the so-called distrust is actually from some people who don’t understand 5G. The true understanding of 5G, including our operators, is generally very trustworthy, which is why, despite a lot of noise and a lot of interference, our 5G business is still developing very well.

Moderator: Ren Zong proposed to license all 5G technologies to Western companies. Are there any disputes about these proposals?

Ren Zhengfei: We are notAuthorized to all Western companies, we are licensed to a Western company, that is, an exclusive company to buy our license. This kind of 5G is supported by the scale market. We think this company should be a US company. Because Europe has its own 5G, South Korea and Japan also have their own things, only need to adjust during the improvement and development process. But the United States is missing this thing now, and we should exclusively license American companies to get this thing. And we can compete with us all over the world, not limited to the US market. He can compete together on a global scale, of course, other places except Mars, the moon and the sun.

The purpose of our doing this is to hope that the biggest industry in the future should be artificial intelligence. We hope that we will not suffer from the second entity list in artificial intelligence. But the second physical list of artificial intelligence is impossible because it is software-based and we may go beyond other specifications. But we don’t want to have conflicts again. We hope to work together to provide a service for human beings to jointly provide a service to the new society.

Peter Cochrane: I think there is a distortion of trust now. For example, scientists, engineers, supervisors and the entire company have mistrust. I think this is a political issue. I think the problem itself is not in technology, or in technology. This is not a fear of technology, because you see 3G, 4G have similar fears, but there are some differences, now it is because social networks have amplified this effect. Everyone thinks that as long as the number is large, it means correctness. If many people are doing the same thing, it will have a wide-ranging impact. For example, there may be news of 20 million social media releases in a short time, so I feel that it is necessary to carry out certain cooperation and efforts in the industry to dispel everyone’s doubts. This is what we need to do. There is no evidence that there is a problem with technology. If there is technology, for example, if you really have evidence that technology can be used to kill people in the medical industry or other industries, then this will be a big problem. But I think that with new technologies, we need to have tangible evidence to prove whether there is a problem.

Moderator: Mr. Ren, I will talk about the authorization just mentioned. If 5G technology is given to a US company, what is the authorized content? Hardware, software, source code?

Ren Zhengfei: First of all, all patents are fair and non-discriminatory to the company. The second is about 5G’s proprietary technology, source code, hardware technology, interaction, and production experience, including the design of the chip if he needs it. We hope that in the new starting line, we and Europe, Japan, South Korea and the United States can start again on the same starting line and contribute to humanity again. We are confident that we can outperform, so we have confidence to open up.

Moderator: You sounded particularly generous, but this gave many companies a lot of opportunities to make everyone a huge competitor of Huawei. In this case, Huawei may lose its 5G leadership position and you are willing to accept such results. ?

Ren Zhengfei: But we have got a lot of money and can buy a lot of “firewood” to make the new technology fire more prosperous and have a chance to lead. Secondly, we introduced a strong competitor, forcing each of our company’s 190,000 employees not to be lazy, no one can sleep late, and once they fall asleep, they may die. If I just urge the employees to work hard, it is impossible for the wolf to rush to the sheep. The sheep is the healthiest. I am not worried that there will be strong competitors. I even say that I will fight Huawei. It’s true that Huawei is fighting me. Happy, the world is more powerful. But if Huawei is not beaten, Huawei is running fast, so the sheep that are running slowly are eaten. I don’t have to cut off the unhappy employees. These employees let the wolves eat. What’s wrong? I don’t think that competitors will create a kind of threat. I feel that it will give me a spur to push me forward.

Moderator: Jerry is from the United States. What do you think the US company will think about this proposal and whether the license can rebuild trust?

Jerry Kaplan: First of all, let me talk about the issue of trust first, because I think there are a lot of problems here. Peter talks about the trust and fear of technology. Mr. Ren talks about trust in supply and Worry is the question of trust in suppliers. The word trust is a word with emotion in English. You don’t trust me. This is emotional.

But doing business doesn’t require trust, and doing business requires predictability. Trust is like getting married. Marriage doesn’t necessarily have love. Of course, love must be happier. But sometimes marriage does not require love. Similarly, what we need here is mutual respect. At the political level, the United States has not respected other countries, so there is no way to engage in constructive dialogue. I think licensing is one of the feasible options, but there are other technical options that can be considered. Including the second supplier and the second source, these technical means are all possible, so that each country, including the United States, can protect its core infrastructure. This is not to say that Huawei cannot be a good and efficient supplier. In business negotiations, I think Huawei can still help American companies, but in a way that the United States can accept.

Moderator: Mr. Ren, are you willing to give up this business?

Ren Zhengfei: You can understand this.

Host: Peter, what do you think about this issue?

Peter Cochrane: I thinkThe problems of technology, 5G and network depend on how we use it, because these technologies can actually play a huge role in driving various industries like medical, logistics and manufacturing. These technologies can quickly aggregate resources to support the development of these industries.

I feel that if a new company emerges, or a company that exists, a company like Mr. Ren cannot be said to be very advanced and successful overnight. Their success is rooted in the R&D team, and because of the hard work of engineers and scientists, they have this advantage. Now everyone has begun to think about what is going on after 5G, but from a realistic point of view, if we want to deploy 5G around the world, if we want to deploy quickly, it will require the efforts of many companies to achieve it. When the market reaches a certain level of maturity, the situation will be better when 5G enters the mature deployment stage. But at the beginning, we needed a large number of vendors to deploy technology quickly. This is also related to global climate change and social change, so we all need to change the way we do things.

Moderator: Mr. Ren is also willing to sign a no-back agreement, which is also what you are exploring. It is being explored with some European countries. Please explain the latest developments.

Ren Zhengfei: First, for more than 30 years, we have proved that there is really no malicious motive for us to do something. Secondly, we have been closely inspected in the UK and Germany. None of the equipment vendors have been subjected to a strict medical examination like ours. This proves that we have no problems in our bodies and we have no problems in all aspects. Although the United Kingdom has also discovered some of our problems, it only means that the body is not healthy enough, and unhealthy can be improved. Therefore, we believe that there are no malicious problems. We are willing to support Europe in the world to carry out medical examinations for equipment manufacturers and operators all over the world. We are confident that we can sign agreements with various countries without backdoors. We should be able to do this.

Second, we invested a lot of research and development funding to resolve the privacy protection agreement for Europe’s GDPR. Our company’s primary goal of network improvement in the next five years is to establish network security and privacy protection as a high-level goal. As a second-tier goal, it is necessary to establish a minimalist network, minimalist equipment, and minimalist things to make the network more concise, which is to make it safer, more reliable, and faster.

From this point of view, we are working hard to do this, so we dare to guarantee to the governments and members of various countries that we can do this.

Moderator: The trust issue is a very real problem, even if you say that I am willing to sign this agreement, but if I don’t trust you, I don’t trust you. Recently, we also saw a real scene, that is, whether there is a possibility of technologyDecoupling? One is China’s technology world, and the other is the US-led technology world. How likely do you think this situation will exist?

Jerry Kaplan: If it does, it is very bad for both countries. As Ren always said, if you only talk about 5G, it is the same thing that happened in Europe and America before, like the 3G or 4G Europe and the United States. At that time, the standards between Europe and the United States were different. There was no way for your mobile phone to be used freely between the two countries. The standard for operating commercials was different, which caused a big problem.

Moderator: What is Peter’s opinion? If China has a set of standards and a set of standards in the United States, what about Europe?

Peter Cochrane: I think this is a completely unsustainable scene for the planet. Because I feel that the entire technology world, we have spent billions to develop technology, we have to implement this technology, and then to achieve large-scale applications, we need to promote it so that humans can benefit. If a set of technologies can only benefit from a small number of markets, how can we maximize the use? In the United States, Europe, China, and India, no country has the talents and resources it needs to be able to achieve this alone. After all, we are in a global market, and we are interdependent.

I think politicians may not realize this. I think that in the whole process of globalization, all markets are interdependent.

Moderator: Ren Zong, how much do you think Huawei might decouple from Western technology? Or do you reduce your dependence on foreign technology? Does this force you to develop your own technology?

Ren Zhengfei: Because the train had narrow rails, wide rails and standard rails at the earliest time, it brought great inconvenience to the transportation of this country and imposed certain restrictions on the development of industrial society. The communication industry is the same. There are three standards for 3G and two standards for 4G. Everyone feels that the differences in these standards have caused problems for the society, and the cost is high. Therefore, 5G only produced a standard. One standard of 5G is thousands of tens of thousands of scientists in hundreds of countries. After more than 20 years of discussion, the unified standard is finally produced. This makes the world a Future connectivity under standard architecture. This connection will help support artificial intelligence and support human society in the future.

Now if there is some objection to be decoupled, I don’t agree. When American companies are willing to supply our parts, I definitely want to buy them. I prefer to produce less of my own parts. I have to buy them in order to maintain the problem of globalization. I won’t go the road of completely independent updates, thisIt will eventually be a closed result. The behavior of the temporary backup state cannot represent Huawei’s long-term ideal. Our long-term ideal is to be integrated into this society and integrate into the world. We will not take the lead in doing this.

Now the US company is constantly changing and starting to resupply us. We are very welcome. We are very happy. There is no such thing as hate. We hope that the world must not be decoupled, because it is difficult to integrate into a unified body of technology, and then decoupling is not conducive to human creation of new wealth. The professor just said that the market is only a high-cost result, although the technical implementation is no problem, but it can only be high cost. The purpose of globalization is to make full use of resources so that quality services can reduce costs and benefit 7 billion people. This should be the ideal of our struggle, and we should not go to such behavioral trends!

Moderator: Let’s talk about the Hongmeng ecosystem. Is this a very big technology? What do you think?

Ren Zhengfei: Hongmeng System has been developed for seven or eight years. The purpose of this system is for the Internet of Things, for future industrial control. Its biggest feature is low latency. But will Hong Meng go to provide services for the terminal? Now we are still working hard, because we are a friendly company, of course, Google is also very level. If the US government still can’t open GMS to us, we may have to make some efforts in this regard.

Moderator: What does Jerry think?

Jerry Kaplan: (Carton) For example, there are a lot of restrictions on the company. We have encountered similar problems before, including printers and so on. Previously, printers also had different standards, and no one could benefit. Because these printers have no way to interoperate with each other, and the previous PCs, such as IBM, seem to have produced the first personal computer in 1982, if I remember correctly, then IBM created the first individual. computer. Later, like airplanes, mobile phones, etc., from an engineering point of view, we must realize that not only is a Huawei company affected, for example, I have been using Apple computers, and I have two G-Mail mailboxes. Both are American products. Now these two products are subject to many restrictions or obstacles. In fact, this is not caused by technology, nor is it caused by people in the market, but because of politicians, it is so simple, it sounds a bit absurd. I think the future world should not be like this.

Moderator: Let me ask a question of challenge. If there are two worlds and two systems in the future, there will be a lot of inaccuracies.Qualitative, do you think that in such a world, who will win? Is the United States winning, or is China winning?

Peter Cochrane: I think it will be China and customers. Everyone needs to know that the US population is not that much.

Moderator: Where do you think people will go?

Zhang Wenlin: Which standard is more open and more global, which one will win. Because we have already experienced such a process in the field of communication, in the field of communication, we have a technology better than the other at 2G, but its standard is relatively closed, and the other standard is very open. That is, the standards of 3GPP are very open. After going through 3G, 4G to 5G, the world embraced the 3GPP standards, and another company that was already very advanced and invested in this technology went on the wrong path. Our company has experienced the whole history, so we are sincerely convinced that we embrace the world, open innovation and win-win cooperation.

Ren Zhengfei: I think there are two possibilities for ecology and division in the world that should not exist. First, although we have isolated our contacts with American scientists and professors, professors always publish papers. We can always see his papers, but they are only Turkish papers. We can see them in the second year. The American paper, we saw it in the third year, but we will always see that seeing it will always have an impact on our technology. Although the United States may run a little ahead, we ran a little behind, but the snow from the Himalayas is the same.

The United States should be said to be the most advanced position in the world. It is the most powerful country in the world. Like the snow in the Himalayas, if the technology is out of the way, the snow on the top of the Himalayas is not allowed to flow below. The crop below is dead. After the death, the snow above did not receive any benefit. The normal situation should be that the above snow water flows down to water the downstream crops, and part of the benefits from the crops. This is the goal of the world going global.

If the United States does a lot of good things and does not sell, how can we make the country prosperous and strong? If the crops are not working, they will find a way to make the wells survive, so when this happens, they will find a way to replace them. Otherwise, science and technology cannot be commercialized and cannot occupy the global market, and the economy will shrink.

So I think that objective things are excluded, and no one can escape from the world. It is impossible to rebuild a regional environment. It’s just that the form of implementation is rather rough. There is a professor who writes that the world is flat. I believe it is flat, but some of them are glaciers. It may be painful in the past, but even a flat glacier should be careful. No matter how rough the road, the roads of the world are all open. It’s already the Internet age. In the Internet era, we’re talking about technology decoupling.Domain autonomy is simply not realistic.

Zhang Wenlin just said, which standard is the victory? At 2G, CDMA is a technological advantage. GSM was not so good at that time. Who saved GSM? We are China. Because CDMA has put forward a series of harsh conditions for China, China does not accept it, and it has bought a lot of GSM. GSM may be broken in China by calling, but after all, it can be modified after being applied on a large scale. 3GPP is advancing rapidly in this environment. The second point is more open. Thousands, tens of thousands, and hundreds of thousands of families have come in to embrace the standards of 3GPP, so they have formed an ecology, so they have been advancing this ecology. This ecology has been pushed to today. 5G. The 5G victory is actually a victory for the 3GPP organization.

Moderator: It seems that you are 100% sure that this technology will not happen, would you like to say it again? Are you sure that there will be no decoupling?

Ren Zhengfei: Why do I believe that I will not be decoupled? Since the Internet era has spread widely, it is impossible for American professors to send papers to the refrigerator. Engineers in the United States cannot see, and the United States cannot make products. As soon as it is released, anyone on the Internet can see it. Those who see it will follow the American theory, or follow the European theory, or follow the steps of Russian mathematicians. Finally, they will form the same level. The ecology of the layer may be different, but the whole ecology should not be too different.

Moderator: What is Peter’s opinion?

Peter Cochrane: In history we have never seen examples of isolated success. Whether it is a company, a country or any organization, I think Mr. Ren is right. This is a matter of time, and isolation cannot succeed!

Jerry Kaplan: Regarding AI, I think this pattern is a bit different. There are some theories that are specifically used to analyze who will win. Of course, media friends also know that politicians tell media friends that it involves confrontation between countries. In fact, AI is a software technology, including programs, but also contains a lot of value in the data. In fact, AI is about programs and data. First of all, you have programs and software, and then you will find the law and value from a large amount of data. This is the purpose of the current AI. The key is that everyone has AI technology and it’s easy to get. I don’t think it’s a problem for American companies, but the question is whether there is data. For example, the data collected in China may not be equally useful to other countries, so this involves the question of how to use the data, which is critical for AI.

For example, AT&T, a telecom operator, cannot directly use China Telecom’s data for them.Said that this data is not that great value. For example, data useful for face recognition in China is used to train other countries. Face recognition like the United States is not necessarily useful. Can you look at other examples, such as the film industry, will the Chinese film win or the American film win? This is again in the data. I think Americans have never worried that Chinese movies will go beyond Hollywood movies. No matter how good Chinese movies are, it is impossible to take over Hollywood audiences.

I think there are very specific issues involved here. Some of the concerns of governments are misplaced. AI is not a nuclear weapon. They are different.

Peter Cochrane: I can think of other examples. The United States and Japan used to have conflicts in the automotive industry. At that time, the American auto industry workers were largely unemployed. Because the Japanese cars were of higher quality and higher cost performance, the United States broke out. A trade war with Japan.

Jerry Kaplan: I thought you would talk about the fifth generation of computing projects. It was also very accidental at the time, that is 5G. In fact, at the time of the fifth generation of computing projects, there was a long time of conflict between the United States and Japan. Because this is a very large government project, both in Japan and in the United States, they actually wasted a lot of government funds, and the fifth-generation computing project did not get good results. As we have come to the AI ​​era, we can’t avoid the same mistakes and can’t make the mistakes of the fifth generation calculations at the time. I don’t think there will be such a winner.

Moderator: I am very glad to hear the word data. In the West and in the United States, many people are concerned about data protection and privacy protection. Please let me judge whether I am correct or not. I am more willing to share in China. This is the case in China with its own data optimization technology. You feel that data protection is a topic of great concern to the West in this case. Privacy protection is a matter of great concern to them. Do you think this will have a significant impact on data innovation?

Zhang Wenlin: I am a fan of Jerry’s attention. I like his book very much, but I have different opinions on this issue. Data is indeed very important for artificial intelligence, and for artificial intelligence technology, we like it very much. The data in each area is different, and each area data has its own value. Maybe this data is taken in another area and it is not necessarily so valuable, or not so attractive. The advantage is that artificial intelligence can bring Business to every different area, and everyone can enjoy the innovation and business brought by this technology.

But I think the key issue is the computing power. Artificial intelligence is now available. We think that many technologies, including connectivity technologies, including the high-performance computing that I just talked about, have been developed for more than sixty years. The concept of artificial intelligence is actually very early, but it is basically available until now, because all these technologiesI just just started artificial intelligence. In the case of starting, only the computing power has made a very big breakthrough, artificial intelligence can be like everywhere we use electricity, we can use it at any time.

We believe that the capabilities of the infrastructure, including connectivity and computing, are critical to artificial intelligence. Of course, data is also important, but it should not be a serious problem right now.

Ren Zhengfei: I think that the concept of privacy protection in different countries is very different. China may have been the most conservative and backward country in the past. In fact, it has become more open now, and everyone has done everything he does every day. They all sent it online, instead of sending it to the Internet. In view of the security issue, don’t send photos constantly, but people say that I just want to send photos to the Internet every day. This is the difference between Chinese young people and us. They think that they don’t need anything to protect, so they all send it up.

Of course, the second one, I believe that privacy protection should be conducive to the safety of society, to the safety of individuals, to the progress of society, and the harm caused by completely excessive things to society. Let me give you an example. In Shenzhen ten years ago, there were about 18,000 incidents of taking a girl’s bag on a motorcycle every year. Last year, it was a part, and it was gone. The second is that there were 94 homicides last year, but all of them were solved. Now China’s social policing is better than the social security of any country in the world. Especially when children come back from abroad, they feel that the law is good, but they also sacrifice the privacy of many people, including my privacy. Wherever you drive, someone will shoot me and send it to the database.

But this is a privilege, and the police can’t use it. The police can only check this thing after approval. Through such protection, Shenzhen’s social security is basically no thief. If there is economic change in society, it may lead to risky behavior, but it is basically gone, it is good for the development of production, and it is good for the development of employment. These are all changing, and the whole of China is beginning to change.

In this sense, in a certain sense, this point in the West cannot be violated, and that point cannot be violated. Finally, social security is not good, especially if the United States is not shooting at all. If the United States sacrifices a little privacy, it will find this. People take guns to the mall, and they should stop it on the spot. The police should stop it and avoid this happening. The privacy of this person is protected, but the lives of more people are not protected. Sometimes our privacy protection needs to be scientifically analyzed and managed scientifically, especially how a sovereign state manages information and how it manages data. This is a matter for each sovereign country, not a single one. A unified standard throughout the world.

It should be said that the standard of our country is like this. Your country must also be this standard, as long as the country can protect people without harming good people, onlyIt is conducive to social security, and this sovereign state has the right to manage its own data.

Moderator: We talked about China’s privacy protection data. If everyone protects this, where does the innovation company get the data?

Peter Cochrane: Do you want to get a lot of things for free? Suppose I am sick tonight, I have a case in the UK, I am sick in China because of GDPR, the hospital can’t get my case in the UK, because there are data protection regulations, I can’t get my case and other in China. Personal information. If I am sick, I am willing to provide my personal information to help with my treatment. In the diagnosis of the disease, I am particularly willing to contribute my personal data to the doctor to diagnose the condition.

I think the question that should be considered is, will this cause security problems for my personal and my family? First of all, for me personally, I will consider whether this is convenient for my life. This is my personal consideration. Is it making your life more convenient? For example, if you need a case, I am willing to provide you with a diagnosis of my condition. If this is the case, then you can take good care of me.

Jerry Kaplan: I think there are different privacy laws in different regions, because it involves social and cultural issues, legal issues, for example, China is different from the United States, for historical reasons. There are also different legal requirements in Europe, and AI requires a lot of data. Therefore, China has data, so artificial intelligence can be better applied, so that more convenience can be obtained from AI. Including data sets is more abundant in China. First, China has more data. The United States does not have so much data. The United States cannot even understand how important the amount of data is.

In fact, when I was in Shanghai, I found that Shanghai has a larger population than Texas. There are more people who speak English in China than people who speak English in the US population. I think the concept of this quantity has not been understood by the United States. If you have data and can establish relationships between data and build data sets, you can use AI, which is easier to achieve in China.

Zhang Wenlin: I would like to add that it is not necessary to obtain all the data to achieve technological progress. According to our analysis, what is needed is to identify the correct type of data. We don’t need to get all the private data, we don’t need the full set. It may be that some Internet companies in the early stages did not really figure out what type of data they needed, and there was such an exploration. But now everyone has gradually realized that it is necessary to respect the protection of data privacy, and it needs to respect individuals. For example, as Peter just said, we will contribute value, we just need to use the minimum data and then produce the maximum possible value.

Moderator: Do you think China’s introduction of privacy data protection laws is only a matter of time?

Ren Zhengfei: The privacy protection law is appropriate, and should be very strict, to deal with illegal access to data and application data. What I said just now is that a sovereign government has the right to know that the police or people with judicial power should be able to master the data, not the ordinary people. There have also been cases of reselling data in China, such as who is pregnant and who is a mother. This information has been bought by bad elements. The data is sold to companies that make milk powder, and these companies sell to these people. These are exposed. This is not true for people’s privacy. Stealing phone numbers and pushing private phone numbers to bad elements, China is going to strengthen protection and strengthen legislation in this respect. It is necessary to severely punish these things and let society evolve.

I think we are still supporting the European system of GDPR, and we must resolutely achieve this. I also support our country’s continuous improvement in information management. I think that there have been many improvements in the past two years. Because the previous two years were very chaotic, it seems that there has been some regulation in the past two years. I believe that gradually changing China’s privacy protection and letting everyone live in a safe environment is the happiness that people most desire.

Moderator: Actually, when it comes to rules and regulatory issues, what kind of rules and regulations do you think the government should set up? For example, in terms of developing new technologies, what kind of rules should the government set up to ensure that new technologies do not infringe on people’s privacy? What do you think? What kind of framework do you think should be set up or what kind of regulatory framework should the government set up to promote the development of science and technology?

Peter Cochrane: Actually, I don’t think we should complicate this thing too much. Any company or any organization, they can tell the user that I want some of your data, then how to use your data to ensure that the rules are in place. To protect your data within the scope, it should be based on the principle of letting users give data to these companies. If the negligence causes these data to leak, it is indeed a price. Any organization may be hacked, and the hacker may be just a 15-year-old who stays in the bedroom. Judging from the security problems of the current network, it is indeed necessary to spend a lot of money and invest heavily to strengthen. For example, I saw that banks, the Ministry of Defense, and various organizations have been hacked, which has leaked a lot of data. Fortunately, it has not caused much damage. After all, our data is distributed in every corner of the world, or in different organizations.

Moderator: For example, we see Huawei’s technology development so fast, but some government officials do not understand technology. In fact, you just said that officials do not understand technology is light, and some people may feel that technology is not good or politicians can not fully understand the new technology. If they don’t understand the new technology, how can they set up rules to manage it?

JRerry Kaplan: I don’t think there is a way to give you a perfect answer to this question, but when it comes to data protection, we need to clarify this matter before we can answer it. First of all, this problem is not the collection of data, but the purpose of the use and use of the data. For example, when you collect, you must tell people what your purpose is, how to use it, and how long you plan to stay, otherwise you may get the bad elements to get the data. But we need to provide the greatest possible transparency, for example, let the user know what you are charging for, and what you plan to use, which is what the United States is doing now. For example, Facebook, Twitter, the data of these users is applied in a way they don’t know. For example, for political purposes, or for the security police, we need to consider these aspects.

Moderator: What is Ren’s opinion?

Ren Zhengfei: I feel that the whole society must be tolerant of new technologies, because without academic freedom and freedom of thought, there is no way to create inventions. When creations are invented, some may be beneficial to human beings, and may be detrimental to human beings, but they are all going to be recognized after they have created inventions. For example, the invention of salt is harmful to human society. If it is not further studied on the other side, it will not know its usefulness, and salt will not benefit mankind. On many things we have more tolerance for new and emerging technologies. If we evaluate the new ideas of scientists’ new things, I estimate that the birth of new technologies is very difficult, and the progress of human society will be as slow as the Middle Ages. Especially in genetic technology, the emergence of genetic technology will benefit humans in the future, or what will be detrimental to humans? I think it is still time to prove.

Some new technologies may be harmful to humans, and may bring happiness to billions of people. Now we cannot exclude them. Artificial intelligence is mainly used in the production process and product improvement in our company, and has not yet entered the research on social capabilities. However, sociologists have put forward a number of ideas on artificial intelligence. I think that at least the time of realization will not be the problem that sociologists think of within 30 years, so we may wish to make the problem of artificial intelligence more tolerant. Always block the advancement of artificial intelligence.

New technologies, new sciences, and new ideas have always broken through people’s traditions and will never be accepted by the majority. Scientists are a minority, that is, the truth is in the hands of a few people. If you use the Internet to vote for evaluation, it must be fixed, because most people do not understand, so we think that sometimes we must protect the minority. The government’s policies, laws, social ethics, and social tolerance of the people must protect the minority. Even if we may get out of the edge, we will let him go back, otherwise the social progress will be slow and the national competitiveness will be improved. Will be slow.

Like our company has just grown up, the Chinese economy has justIn the era of reform and opening up, it was because 20 million young people of knowledge had to return to the city from rural areas. After returning to the city, I can’t work because the young people are not willing to live in such a difficult and lonely environment in the countryside. They make troubles and make a lot of troubles. So the country agrees that they will go home and return to the city. The city has no way to arrange work. They were allowed to sell large bowls of tea and sell steamed buns. The Chinese private enterprises were born just because they sold bowls of tea and sold them. After that, the country gave us another question. More than 5 people and 8 people are capitalist enterprises, and they are not allowed to develop. We had more than 8 people at that time, so we still got the tolerance of the local government and did not put us into the cage of capitalism. It is because we have been tolerant step by step that we have grown to such a large size.

We pay $20 billion in taxes to governments around the world every year, that is, I donate at least $20 billion in taxes to the world, not to mention the consumption of our employees and the progress that society has brought. There is no early tolerance for us, nor Huawei today. I think we must be more tolerant of new technologies and emerging things and give them more freedom so that we can create a better tomorrow.

Zhang Wenlin: The industry is now very enthusiastic. In fact, we are looking at it now. The correct direction to solve is from the fear, fear or high expectations of this technology. The best way is to go. come together. Sociology scientists and technology companies can sit together and discuss how to solve them.

Ren Zhengfei: There will be no results. Everyone will be arguing for decades and there will be no result.

Zhang Wenlin: We have seen active participation in ISO and IEC. We believe that there is a platform to collect your concerns. In the rapid development process of digital technology, the possible negative effects of digital protection, we as a technology company really have to pay attention. And as a technology company, the first point is to comply with the laws of all countries and not to violate the law. The second is to respect the privacy and data sovereignty of customers.

Ren Zhengfei: I feel that no matter how many people sit together, there will be no result. I think the result is a hundred flowers, allowing everyone to spend a lot of time and letting social effects evaluate you.

Zhang Wenlin: We believe that there is still progress in the industry, and it is necessary for the industry to come together, truly believe in a common framework, and then to challenge, otherwise people who don’t understand are challenged every day, and people who know each other Not willing to tell others what this thing is. Like the phone in my hand, I can use this phone to flip through it without touching it. I just gave Jerry a demonstration. He thinks it’s amazing. People who know technology are also amazing, but this technology is not complicated. If we let everyone know that this is not something that is beyond human imagination.Everyone will believe it. We believe that under our communication, we should help a rational framework that is more clearly understood by the technology itself. It will help more people who don’t understand this thing and treat it with a rational approach. .

But for technology companies, no technology company should use its knowledge of technology to try to deprive users of their choice. As a technology company, we should try our best to leave the complicated problems to ourselves, and finally let the users know what the technology is, what rights they have, and leave as many choices as possible to the users themselves. In this way, the trust between us and the users can be established, and the trust between us and society can be gradually established.

Moderator: Actually, what we just talked about is the rules. Excuse me, Mr. Ren, operating in China, do you think that the new technology in China is very open to regulators? For example, are they open-minded in the new technologies that Huawei wants to develop?

Ren Zhengfei: I believe that China must first grasp basic education, because China must grasp the basic research to enable China to have the same ability as the world. Throughout the education system, it is still the most developed in the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Western countries. They are very open to academic freedom and freedom of choice. For example, a classmate in a school has 1600 classes to choose from. You can only choose 4 courses in a semester, so you can only choose 32 courses in 8 semesters. The 32 courses I chose are not the same as your 32 classes. The students in the same class are not the same. China is a unified textbook, and it is necessary to score points when it comes out. However, China’s educational breakthrough requires leading figures, so for Huawei, the era has given a new demand and opportunity.

For our company’s research, because we are a global company, we are not limited to China. Because our basic research is basically on the Tropic of Cancer, from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia, Japan, and the entire North Regression, we have more than 30,000 foreign employees, including a considerable group of scientists. There are 70,800,000 R&D personnel in our company. Some of these R&D personnel are also scientists, and some of them are top experts. They combine to form a new opportunity to seek opportunities for breakthrough. This opportunity, we are at the forefront, so there are no restrictions.

We just want to make more contributions to human beings on new technologies, and we don’t want to be the hegemon of business. Because we are not a listed company, we do not seek financial statements to look good. What we seek is strength, and that’s it, so we feel that nothing can limit us.

Moderator: We are going to be close to the final discussion today. I hope that everyone will think about it. We talked about new technologies, innovations, and AI. So what is the next big technology? Imagine the next major technology in the futureWhat is surgery? Let’s make a prediction.

Jerry Kaplan: We are talking about technologies that have an impact on consumers, technologies that have an impact on the industry. I think it will be augmented reality (AR). I think augmented reality will have a huge impact. For example, if you put on your glasses, you can see that a virtual image is superimposed in the real world. You can use it to play games or interact with other people. You can communicate with a remote friend. It has a holographic image. He is like sitting next to you, but actually physically exists in another place. I think this will change our perception of the world and change the interaction between people. Because there will be more ways to get along with virtual reality, it’s like there are a lot of ghosts around you. Therefore, I think 5G and AI technology will have further impact, which will happen in the next decade.

Peter Cochrane: There was a paper this week that I soon couldn’t see. This is a paper by Google. This paper mentions that he has gained the hegemony and dominance of quantum computing, and I am not sure why the paper will soon be invisible. They mentioned quantum computing. The reason behind this is that if you can achieve quantum computing, you can really understand chemistry, biology, life sciences, artificial intelligence, because if you have quantum computing, you can successfully solve some deep-rooted problems. For example, the composition of proteins, the difficulty of communication, or the genetic makeup. They believe that quantum computing can solve 98% of the problems that cannot be solved at present, so he believes that quantum computing will be a difficult technology for leapfrog development, which will affect all walks of life in society.

I think it will affect everything and it is difficult to do quantitative assessments. If there are 100 qubits, it might be strong. If there are 1000 qubits, we might be an order of magnitude enhancement.

Ren Zhengfei: What will the next era look like? I think that every technology is at the forefront of breakthroughs. When it breaks through the interdisciplinary intersection of technologies, what is this society? I do not know. I hope that our company finds its place in this scenario, and we occupy this position as the flow of data received and the flow of processing the distributed data, as well as the storage and processing of these quantities. If the river is like the “2012” movie, this tide is soaring, I think there must be an opportunity. I know that the 5G pipeline is still very small. I don’t think it can be lost. We can continue along this road.

Zhang Wenlin: I agree with the general idea of ​​the whole, but the expression may be different. I think it is artificial intelligence in the end, because artificial intelligence is not a technology. Now that artificial intelligence is just beginning to be available, almost all the technology development to the present stage is the data of artificial intelligence and the connection of our Internet of Everything. It can produce value. We think artificial intelligenceThere is still a long way to go in the future. In this process, various technologies, including biotechnology, including all aspects of technology like materials technology, molecular technology, manufacturing technology, all of these technological breakthroughs will make artificial intelligence Further rapid development.

And at the same time, because of the development of artificial intelligence, it brings more data. It is the huge amount of data that Ren said. The current thinking of our company is to make the processing and calculation of these data simpler, cheaper and more No, just like people use electricity now, you can’t even feel where I am generating electricity and power. I can get this power at any time by plugging in a socket. This is what our company expects and is focusing on.

Moderator: Is Huawei developing 6G technology? Is this in the technology you are developing?

Ren Zhengfei: Our 6G and 5G technologies are parallel in the development process, and 6G has long been in contact. The 6G is mainly a millimeter wave. Because it has a very wide bandwidth, it may sacrifice the distance of the launch. Therefore, the 6G is really put into engineering use in a large scale. It is still early for our company and there are still some processes.

Zhang Wenlin: This is a matter of ten years later. Because the law of our industry is a new generation every ten years, and I participated in the process of conceiving 5G at the earliest. I have been very impressed by a professor in the UK. We were looking for him to discuss what is 5G? This is a decade ago. He told me a concept that he would add 100 times and 1 million connections within a square kilometer. We didn’t understand it at the time. This concept is totally different from our traditional understanding of communication technology. I even think it is technology-independent. But now 5G is like this. The 6G that I just talked about is still being explored, and even the future that I have just said can’t be realized. But now everyone is just starting to explore, just looking for concepts. And the rule of this industry is that we see that any country, any company that wants to cross 1G will miss the opportunity. 3G is a good country, 4G is bound to develop well. After the 4G foundation is laid, 5G can develop well. Any country, any company that wants to jump and develop, we see many cases of such failures have occurred.

Host: This is part of today’s conversation, thenWe entered the Q&A session.

Question: I am from a public opinion leader in the United States. Excuse me, Mr. Ren, what do you think should be done if you want to use technology and achieve technical inclusiveness beyond the boundaries of the country?

Ren Zhengfei: We regard technology as technology, technology is just a tool, screwdrivers are used all over the world, screwdrivers are used all over the world, and wrenches are also used worldwide. When we make 5G as a base station, don’t think of 5G as an atomic bomb. I think it can be used universally. First of all, technology should not be politicized. By choosing competition and comparison between business and market, we can share the happiness brought by the same new technology.

Peter Cochrane: I think globalization is irreversible. If there is a country that wants to go against the trend under this premise, I think it will cost and sacrifice. In the past, this isolated policy has never been successful.

Question: With the development of artificial intelligence, all the guests present, including the General Manager, will not worry about the phenomenon of intensifying human social inequality, resulting in a small number of people and production data with data and disposable data. Most people, but not necessarily able to really dominate these big data. In addition, because Ren is always in this place, because during the last coffee meeting, you mentioned that due to the recent events, Huawei’s revenue for the next few years is expected to decline to $30 billion. But last month, some executives said that in fact, there is no such big gap, which is about $10 billion. What changes and adjustments have been made to make the expectations better? Thank you!

Ren Zhengfei: First of all, whether artificial intelligence will increase the gap between countries is certain. The basis for the future application of artificial intelligence is the cultivation of education and talents. The second problem is infrastructure, because artificial intelligence is a software, an all-encompassing collection that requires a support system. This support system is a high-performance computing system, that is, a super large computer group, not a two. It is 10,000 units, a large data program system and a speeding connection system to support its possible operations, which require a large investment. Insufficient investment, your software is good, it is equal to a car, but there is no road, then your car does not contribute.

In the future, there may be some differentiation in social wealth. Our country has to formulate rules in advance so that some wealthy countries can help some poor countries, such as education, to make the world grow together.

The second one is about the impairment of our company’s output value. It is not a decline in sales revenue last year, but a decline in our target growth plan. Some people say that about 10 billion or so I estimate it is almost the same, maybe it still Will be less, not allowed. Because I can’t tell you the numbers right now, otherwise the finance will not be next year.There are news points, so stay with them.

Jerry Kaplan: Actually, AI is automation. Like Marx explained that automation is to replace capital, that is to say, if there is capital, you can first gain the advantages brought by technology. If there is automation, such as AI, wealth will be forced to distribute more equally. We should think more about the rules of society and the laws of economics. We must let the laws of economics meet the requirements and purposes of society. Therefore, we should not only pursue the realization of high GDP, and then let a few people benefit.

Question: The word trust is with attitude and position, which we can understand as a subjective word. I would like to ask the two guests, if you want to gain the trust that the other party has an innate contradiction and subjective prejudice, do you think that you can gain trust in such a situation? We also noticed that Ren has frequently accepted interviews from a large number of overseas media since this year. In fact, this is relatively rare in the experiences we have seen between Huawei and you. If you let yourself evaluate, you think you How was the performance of the external voice officer in the past year? Thank you!

Ren Zhengfei: We think that the sky is getting grayish, from black color to dark gray to light gray, it is impossible to clear the sky. We continue to voice, and let the world media spread our real situation to the world in the process of communication. When the world begins to understand, we should die soon, and the result is not dead. The world says that you have stock materials and you can stick to production. We have hundreds of billions of production, our materials need 780 billion dollars, we have so much money to store so much inventory materials, so in fact we are not using stocks. In the first half of this year, everyone saw that our financial statements are OK, and everyone is interested. We satirized the financial statements and wondered if we took advantage of our customers’ sympathy for us. The second half of the report can prove that our company is relying on its own strength. Why do customers already trust us? Because they have contacts for more than 20 years and 30 years, they believe that Huawei is a good company and a mature company.

The second is that many Western companies have already obtained products without US parts, and their confidence has increased greatly. I believe we can supply their goods. Why are our guests growing by 69% during this period? Just look at Huawei company or not at work. After your reporters come, PR will show you the shuttle bus to and from work. If so many people go to work, it means they are still there. The second is to see the canteen and see that there are so many people eating. The third is to look at the production line, and the production line has not stopped for a moment. That is to increase the trust of society and customers. These trusts are consolidated by our actual actions little by little. Of course, relying on the practical evaluation of your media in the media work has brought us a lot of help.

We estimate that next yearThe semi-annual financial statements will be good, not bad, and will not grow, nor will there be any big quarters to grow. It depends on the financial statements for June next year, and it was really alive at that time. By the end of next year, people will believe that Huawei is really alive because it has been two years. After 2021, everyone saw that Huawei has resumed growth, and they have solved the difficulties themselves and started to grow. This trust is not based on persuading others, but on their own efforts. You must truly work hard to change your trust. Any trust is likely to lead to trust, distrust and more singular views, but ultimately it is necessary to respect the facts, so we say that trust can be regained.

Jerry Kaplan: I will simply answer this question. If you listen to political dialogue, what you hear is distrust, or something that is insulting to each other, or some accusations and accusations, but more importantly, we need to understand these. Political dialogue. In fact, they only say to people in their own region. If you live in San Francisco like me, you may know that many things reported in the Chinese media have not been passed on. For example, the Chinese people are very respectful. People in the same community as yourself, so you can see some political conflicts that will make civil dialogue more difficult. In fact, the dialogue between the people is very smooth, so I hope that the Chinese people can understand that we are very respectful of the Chinese people, and we see that the Chinese people also regard them as very important members of the world community.

Moderator: Will you come to China next year?

Jerry Kaplan: If you invite me, of course I will come.

Question: Does the proposal that Ren is willing to sell 5G technology to US companies means that Huawei can do 5G products and equipment without relying on US technology and suppliers, can you please clarify that Huawei is now sending Has the US component been removed from the 5G product?

The second question is about Huawei’s financing plan. This month’s 6 billion votes show that Huawei seems to be generally registered with a bond issue of 30 billion. Please confirm whether this round of financing is 30 billion. Or more, what kind of schedule is it planned to complete? The first time in China to choose to issue bonds, is it because in the difficult period, domestic banks have some preferential policies? Thank you!

Ren Zhengfei: First, whether we can survive without the supply of the United States completely, this should be the truth. However, we can still use American parts and components. In August and September, we will experiment with the new version switching. After October, we can mass production. This year’s output value is 600,000 base stations. Next year is 1.5 million base stations, but we are still eager to restore the West to the MinistryThe supply of pieces. Because our friends in these Western companies have been intersecting for 30 years, people still have feelings, we can’t make money for us, and we can’t make money for our friends. We can’t do this.

The second point is about debt issue, I don’t know beforehand. After the debt was issued, I saw that there was news outside to call and ask why the people in the asset management department had to issue bonds. He said that we must issue bonds when the situation is the best, enhance the understanding and trust of the society, and we must not issue bonds until it is difficult. This is the first point. The second point is that the cost of issuing bonds is low. Why? If we say that increasing employee investment in the company, the cost is too high, and the dividend is too high. The cost of financing is only 4%, which is much lower. Why can’t we use financing? The third point is that in the past, it was mainly financed by Western banks. Now the pipeline of western bank financing is not very smooth. It is changed to try to finance in domestic banks. Because domestic banks have higher interest points in the past, so let’s try now. The final financing is 30 billion or 20 billion, I am not very clear about this now, how much debt they are willing to pay, because there is no repayment problem, because we have more money. With more money and more money, we hope to give more support to universities, research institutes, and standards organizations to support the development of the world. We must not narrowly protect our own interests.

Peter Cochrane: Actually, I think our audience should also know that in the past decade, the focus of technology has shifted from the West to the East. For example, like a flat-panel TV or a 6-nanometer chip, these latest technologies are from Southeast Asian countries. For example, China Taiwan is a very important chip supplier. In fact, such a transfer may not be a very big step, or everyone thinks this is not so-called enterprise autonomy. I think this is the reason that not all the eggs are placed in one basket. Everyone should share more technology, and bilateral trade is also very important. In fact, I think we can achieve it.

Question: How does Ren always view India’s 5G market and technology? What regulatory and legal challenges do you think may be encountered in the Indian market?

Zhang Wenlin: We also feel that India has very good talents and foundations. In fact, 15 years ago, we set up a large R&D center in Bangalore, India. There are more than 3,000 people, and this R&D center has been playing very much. Important role. In addition, the Indian market has always been a very important market for us. It has been very good in the Indian market for so many years. The regulatory policies in the Indian market are also relatively open, and we have a lot of communication and exchanges with us. At present, I understand so much.

Ren Zhengfei: For the Indian market, the Indian government has to start thinking. The Indian government’s past regulation of telecommunications was based on the management of dialogue rules, and now it has become a broadband number.According to the communication, what new regulations and policies are to be introduced by India is something the Indian government has to think about. As I said earlier, infrastructure is the foundation of a country’s economic development, and communication is part of the infrastructure, which is an important part.

Moderator: Thank you very much! Thank you also to the audience!