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In this episode we continue to talk about Zhejiang people. Conversationalist Cai Chaoyang thinks that Zhejiang has always had a variety of dialects, diets and cultures, so that Zhejiang people rarely have the idea of ​​”non-family, their hearts must be different”, they can tolerate differences, and in order to achieve an ideal or goal It will show great endurance. On the other hand, there are Liu Zongzhou, Qiu Jin, Xu Xilin and Tao Chengzhang in the history. Can this spiritual temperament be seen in today’s Zhejiang people?

Cai Zhaoyang, senior dad, education scholar, founder of Shaoxing Whitefish Culture, with “Reading Resistance Absurd” “Save the Children: Primary School Chinese Textbook Criticism, “I have a primary school in my family” and so on.

Yue Ge: I think we can say that urban culture can be divided into two sides, one is the traditionally passed down, and the other is the modern (something) . In fact, as you said earlier, can this kind of spirit be able to stand up in times of crisis and crisis? When a city’s entire interests or rights are violated, such as when the environment is invaded, the people in the city dare to stand up, which involves a city that can be called a city.City, the citizens of this city have public awareness, public responsibility, this is a standard of consideration.

Yue Ge, a young scholar, writer, devoted to political science and the study of modern Chinese history, with the “Goose City Characters” and “The Radical Donkey” Not why and read.”

We can take Ningbo as an example. Probably in 2012, when Ningbo was a chemical project (Ningbo citizens opposed PX from beginning to end http://news.sina.com.cn/green/news/roll/ 2012-11-16/095825593826.shtml) may cause environmental pollution, and then everyone will stand up and take to the streets. In fact, before this incident happened, I was drinking and chatting with a few friends. When it comes to the personality of Ningbo people, including a judgment of Ningbo tradition, everyone is actually somewhat pessimistic. They think that a commercial city like Ningbo is a utilitarian comparison. Strong people, when they encounter such political risks, will they stand up and will they come forward? Not very optimistic. As a foreigner, I consciously have no say. Listening to them saying this, I am also very embarrassed. I feel that there may not be many people standing up. But I didn’t expect that after such an incident, tens of thousands of people took to the streets, and even more gratifying is that the project was directly boycotted by (English boycott Transliteration, the meaning of collective resistance) fell.

A city, I think it can be called a city, not a town. The difference is that there is a public space, and the second is that the citizens of the city have such a public awareness. When an event may endanger the safety and survival of the city, everyone will dare to stand up and have such a sense of responsibility.

Cai Zhaoyang: I am still fresh in this incident in Ningbo. My memoryWhat is the new one? At that time, there was a netizen who followed the team with two garbage bags. He said that although few people littered the land, I would like to show them that we are civilized.

Yue Ge: At the time of the second night, I was at the scene and saw two details that were particularly moving. One is more like what you said. I saw some very young people, like college students, taking A garbage bag smashes the mineral water bottle on the ground, and there are not many paper balls thrown down. This reflects the civilized quality of a city citizen. The other one is to buy water from outside to buy a box of rice to pass inside, pass to the first row, the front.

Cai Zhaoyang: Yes, I know there is a 85oC, and I still donate bread. A similar incident, just one in Shaoxing last year, is to build a garbage incineration plant, boycott this thing. But Yu Ge brother, you know that these two years are getting harder and harder.

November 28, 2012, the front page of Ningbo Daily

Yue Ge: When it comes to waste incineration plants, it also involves the problem of a whole system of a city. You see that garbage incineration plants are being built in many places in the West. Why are those people in those places not coming out to protest? In fact, it is very simple, indicating that we all have no confidence in the supervision of this waste incineration plant from the site selection to the back. I am as if I think that Taichung in Taiwan is still in Taipei, and the garbage incineration plant is built next to the city government. Why are you not worried? Because they know that according to their regulatory system, according to this system, it will not cause the damage that everyone is worried about, but the problem on our side is very big. I think it involves the confidence of a city.

Cai Zhaoyang: So we have been listening to people talking about “pies” some time ago, the pie is Tacitus “pie”, which is the Tahitian trap (A political theory, named after the ancient Roman historian Tacitus, means that if public power loses its credibility, no matter how it speaks or acts, society will give it a negative evaluation. This term was first seen in China. Aesthetician Pan Zhichang’s 2007The book “Who hijacks our beauty – Pan Zhichang reveals the four wonderful books”, and later became the high-frequency vocabulary of Chinese academics and the media), because the official institution, its credibility is lacking, No one believes him anymore. But now I also reflect on this kind of maintenance of my own rights and interests, they often use a rogue way to defend their rights. This thing is also what we need to be vigilant. Why? Because we don’t have a time and no space to nurture such a civil society, the problem in China is that the children will be called more. I have been a teacher in the system for many years in the education circle. I have seen many parents of students go to school to make trouble. Because the powers and responsibilities are not clear, the legal provisions are not clear, and then you have unlimited liability at school. So I have anything to go to the school to make trouble, the seven aunts and eight screams come to the school, around your principal’s room, and finally can only compromise, there is such a situation. That means that we need a lot of things in this era, but we don’t have a space to train them now. So why is commercial civilization good? Commercial civilization pays attention to the spirit of contract. He has many, very fine things. With articles, we have finalized, said, and constrained. This is modern, and this is civilized.

羽戈: If you take my place (Ningbo), with my hometown (皖北) If you compare, it is especially obvious. If you want to sum up with big concepts, one is still an agricultural civilization, and the other is industrial and commercial civilization. Once my wife and I returned to our hometown, our county town is now divided into the old district and the new district, and the old district is broken. Like the slums, the new district is magnificent and beautiful. On that day, we took a friend to visit the new district and watched a circle. The wife said that the high-rise buildings in your new district feel no difference with the buildings in downtown Ningbo, even better than those in Ningbo. Where is it? Because our county is particularly large and has a lot of land, the house is particularly open, and the building is very wide. From the appearance point of view, there is no difference between the mainland and the coast, but if you want to dig deeper and look at the spiritual aspects, such as commercial civilization, such as rule awareness, such as political civilization, the gap between these things is too obvious. .

You can give a few small examples, like the high-rises of our hometown, such as dozens of floors and dozens of floors, each with a fence (anti-theft Window) If you are in downtown Ningbo, this kind of fence may not let you install it, because one by one is too much to affect the appearance, but we can install it on our home. I asked for a place.Producer friend, I said that the house you built is obviously not loaded, why should it be installed? He said that they can’t manage it. There is no way. Some of these residents have children in their homes. What if they fall? Who is responsible? What to do, it will not work.

I had dinner with him that night. On the way, he received a call. A new community was introduced from the Netherlands to some peony flowers. As a result, they were a local owner and an official. When they saw this flower, they were very beautiful. He called and said, XX, can I dig this flower out and pack it in my house? My friend was very surprised, but he could not refuse. He said that you have taken a certain director, and we will buy some from outside. This kind of thing, in some real cities, it can’t happen. Once such a thing happens, first the real estate agent can refuse, the second one, even if the real estate agent does not refuse, if it is seen by other owners, see someone put this When public property is taken back to his home as a personal property, he can choose to expose it. There are many ways to expose it, either through the media or through public media. Even the simplest point, if you go to a real big city, a real commercial city, a civilized city, those officials who dare not do this, this kind of thing can’t happen! If you take these details out for comparison, the gap between the two is already very obvious.

If you must sum up, a commercial city like Ningbo, if it has any characteristics, I think it can use four key words: rights, responsibilities, contracts, rules. We have often heard a saying that the greatest poison of authoritarian regimes is not the deprivation of human rights, but the exemption of human responsibility. In the event of some unjust or unjust incident, no one is willing to stand up once the rights are violated, and no one is willing to take on this responsibility. In fact, in a city, it can’t prevent the breaking of rules. There may be some unexpected events that cause damage to the rules. But in a truly civilized city and commercial city, many people will come out and maintain it without risk. These rules are the root of a city civilization.

Cai Zhaoyang: As a city like Ningbo, what is its sense of civilization and rule?

Yue Ge: I think there are two points. The first one has cultural accumulation. From the Song Dynasty and even earlier, the city has a cultural atmosphere. The cultivation of human culture is not a one-off event. It may take a hundred years. Thousands of years, but once it forms a tradition, you can’t break it; the second is the commercial civilization since the opening of modern times. After Ningbo became the first five trading ports, Western civilization passed through Ningbo to the mainland, and Ningbo acted as The first stop, through this nearly two hundred years of shaping, has produced a modern commercial civilization. One is cultural tradition and the other is commercial civilization. It should come mainly from these two points.